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Sunday, November 05, 2006

Why vs What

 Okay, last year I tried sharing this message with my seminary class two or three times and I think some of them actually listened and learned a little bit, but at least these two girls actually got mad at me once for trying to explain it.  Though I do understand their frustration.  Our teacher, Brother Bennet, Cliffy's older brother, would often try to share an idea, or do an object lesson, and I would find some way of screwing it up.  Sometimes conscientiously and sometimes it was purely coincidence.  Like when he had us do a snowball fight during which we only got one snow ball.  I convinced my group to "bury our weapons of war" or simply give up and not fight.  It totally messed up the lesson, but it was still fun.  Anyway, why vs what, which really matters.

There are a number of situations, circumstances, and various other variables that create which one matters more.  But I'll take just a very few of them.  Only two I think, unless I think of more while writing.

Socially:  Society says that what you do is what matters.  You have to get the grade, the cash, the job, the election, the service hours, the whatever.  What you do is more important than why you do it to society, because what you do is visible and if someone can see it, they can measure it and you can be rewarded or punished accordingly.  In the very rare chance that someone will talk to you and learn your motives, they MIGHT say that why you did it actually was more important.

Religiously: Alright, if we go off of a religious stand point, I'll the the mormon idea.  God and Jesus the Christ will judge us when we die.  They will not only judge us on our actions but also on our reasons.  So we might do something wrong for the right reasons, or we might do something "good" for the wrong reasons.  Also, remember, no one ever has only one reason for doing anything.  Humans will always have more than one reason if the do anything.  And each action has some good reasons and some bad one.  Examples will come later.  It has been my understanding and observation that to God, your reasons are more important than your actions.

Yay for examples.  You kill someone.  Is it right or wrong?  Just from this information, you can not deduce whether it is right or wrong, hopefully.  (If you have deduce that killing is right or wrong, without any evidence of what happened, you probably believe in concrete ethics, which creates blind hatred and blind justice, which is the best way to piss me off and if you believe in concrete ethics, you will soon have a very long and lengthy conversation with me, during which I will disprove all previous thoughts you once had towards concrete ethics.  Trust me, I convinced my brothers JJ and Josh, two very devout mormons, a religious group that so very often tries to teach concrete ethics, and my own father, whom you have probably heard me rant and rave about many a time, into disbelieving their previous thoughts about concrete ethics.  I even got all three to admit that murder, seduction, adultery, fornication, and prostitution all have their rightful place in this world.  A very small place, granted, but a place all to their own, defying their previous notions of concrete ethics.)  So, we shall say the killing was in self-defense, and your attacker already killed your wife.  Right or wrong?  But wait, you killed him in a blind rage and anger.  You let your emotions run wild and you killed him even after you had disabled his weapon and him, so killing him was pointless.  Now, was it right or wrong?  Obviously I can't answer for you, but I just want you to decide.  What matters more to you, what someone does, or why they do it.  Post your answer and explain it, I'd enjoy reading your thoughts.

Just in case you are wondering, I happen to believe the why matters more.  If you do something good for the wrong reasons, it's still wrong.  And everything can be done for the correct reasons, we just have to convince ourselves the reasons are correct.  But that goes into a lying to yourself and some other fun topics, so I'll stop.
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This is why I like you so much.

I am a situational ethicist, as my philosophy teacher is wont to call us (meaning most of my class). He believes that there is one absolute moral truth. This one moral truth can change, but there is one moral truth. We might not necessarily know it, but there is only one. There is right and there is wrong, there is no grey. I can't follow that path of thinking because, in my book, everything depends on circumstances, or, as you put it: the why.

In a debate of ethics: are stealing and murder bad? I can't answer those questions. I have to know the context that they are being applied to. Stealing food to feed yourself if you are on the brink of starvation, is acceptable, but I still feel badly about it because the thief is depriving the person of goods that would have brought in money that the owner might have desperately needed. We don't know the owner's situation. It's all relative.

The same goes for murder. When it is applied to your question, self-defense or defense of an innocent, then it is acceptable, but you're still taking a life. That action is still going to weigh on your conscience, your soul, even if you've done it to defend yourself or someone else who couldn't. If your attacker has killed your spouse and it's self-defense, but you've disarmed them...and you have some way of subduing them without placing yourself or other innocents in danger, and you still kill, then you're no better than your attacker. Your intent was revenge. You meant to inflict pain so that you would stop your own. Or maybe you couldn't stop yourself, and you feel horrible later...does that change the fact that you've still taken a life in revenge when another option was possible?

Intent is important.

I'd like to know how you apply what vs. why to grades and the education system.
Posted 11/22/2006 9:49 PM by habellsir - reply


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